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LANAD

Can't we all just get a bong?
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Abortion Stigma Affects Doctors' Training And Choices

Seeded on Tue Sep 1, 2009 10:07 PM EDT
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health, abortion, doctors, pro-life, pro-choice
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"I think for a lot of students right now, it's very hard to be confronted with the constant negative energy and constant fighting" that surrounds abortion, said Miller, who grew up in a southern Virginia city where antiabortion sentiment runs high. Just learning about the procedure at the state school in Richmond can be a challenge. Medical students who want training in the procedure usually must arrange an elective "externship" in Northern Virginia, she said.

Thirty-six years after it was legalized, abortion remains one of the most common procedures in American medicine -- and the most stigmatized. In 2005, 1.2 million abortions were performed, dwarfing the number of appendectomies (341,000), gallbladder removals (398,000) and hysterectomies (575,000). "There's this feeling it's dirty and should not be spoken about," said Miller. "It's hard to be brave and seek everything out yourself."

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LanaD

Scaring people out of performing abortions can only work so long. Just wait until women show up in emergency rooms from trying to perform their own abortions because there are no doctors brave enough to perform the procedure.

We need protection for clinics and doctors from those who harass them, their clinics and their familes because they perform the needed and most common medical surgery.

Those spreading lies should be silenced. The distortions and rhetoric needs to be regulated so as not to drive anymore people to kill. There is a difference between freedom of speech and downright lying to promote your agenda and rile up the masses. You can't yell fire in a crowed room just because you want to clear the place faster.

  • 7 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Sep 1, 2009 10:18 PM EDT
Lola-984242

I think the stigma of abortion derives from a person's religious beliefs. I wonder, is it possible to have a civilized debate without bringing up religion? All talking points based on facts and logic no religion.

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 12:34 AM EDT
REDaly

Good idea, Lola. It's your seed, LanaD. How about setting that rule for it?

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 2:49 AM EDT
Carloz

Great seed, Lana, thanks. Sorry I did not see it until just now. Here is a link to an article by a future OB/GYN that I came across a couple of months ago:

Why I Plan to Emulate Dr. George Tiller

  • 6 votes
#1.3 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 6:49 PM EDT
redsfan

Abortion is legal and is included in a woman's right to healthcare. The decision to have an abortion is between a woman and her doctor....just as all healthcare choices should be. More people should be willing and able to stand up and say so loud and clear...then maybe doctors would not be so afraid of the issue or the procedure.

  • 6 votes
#1.4 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:32 PM EDT
LanaD

Thanks Carloz! That article you mentioned went hand in hand with my seed. I am glad to see some people are still willingly to look past the danger.

The decision to have an abortion is between a woman and her doctor

It would be great if women could actually obtain abortions from their doctors instead of having to go to a clinic with protesters outside calling her a baby killing whore. Unfortunately some women NEVER even have the discussion with a doctor other than the one performing the procedure because they don't have health insurance or the money to pay for their own doctor.

More people should be willing and able to stand up and say so loud and clear

I am one of those people. I am not afraid of what friends, family members or coworkers say even though the majority support my stance. My Catholic friend even agrees that abortions, including late term, should be kept safe and legal after I educated her on the subject. I think that's whats missing a lot of the time...lack of education.

  • 6 votes
#1.5 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 12:44 AM EDT
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LanaD

Agreed Lola. Facts only!

  • 5 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 12:04 PM EDT
Lola-984242

Yes, I would love to debate the abortion issue minus religious beliefs. However, I don't think anyone who's anti-choice wants to go there.

Lana, I put a comment on your page. It's just something I thought you should know. Delete it after you read it please.

  • 6 votes
#2.1 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 1:17 PM EDT
Shannoscubie

And legal aspects, that's the most important. IMHO.

  • 4 votes
#2.2 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 1:40 PM EDT
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LanaD

Lola, Thanks for the info! I am glad you taught me some good newsvine etiquette!

  • 1 vote
#2.4 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:26 PM EDT
Lola-984242

No worries!

  • 3 votes
#2.5 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 5:27 PM EDT
REDaly

Lana? Lola? Want to share? I could probably use an etiquette lesson too. Feel free to email me.

  • 3 votes
#2.6 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:32 PM EDT
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LanaD

http://carloz.newsvine.com/_news/2009/08/30/3208852-abortion-battle-joined-again-outside-nebraska-clinic-dr-leroy-carhart-takes-up-tiller-mission-to-keep-late-term-abortions-available

Great seed above. Some very good conversations going on here!

  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 4:27 PM EDT
REDaly

Here's another:

http://danaraff.newsvine.com/_news/2009/08/29/3206661-abortion-a-liberal-cause-margaret-sanger-and-eugenics?threadId=663662&commentId=9230392#c9230392

  • 3 votes
#3.1 - Thu Sep 3, 2009 7:43 PM EDT
LanaD

Pro-Choice people should really join the heated debate in the link REDaly posted above. Thanks for sharing!!

  • 3 votes
#3.2 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 10:30 PM EDT
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REDaly

It doesn't look like any anti-choice people are willing to join a debate limited to facts. What a surprise.

  • 4 votes
Reply#4 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 8:04 PM EDT
Lola-984242

I hope I didn't sabotage LanaD's seed. I fear I may have.

  • 3 votes
#4.1 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 9:04 PM EDT
LanaD

Lola, I fear you may have too! LoL Buts thats ok I figured it would happen when I agreed to facts only. It was basically the same as saying "Pro-Lifers stay out of this seed" because you and I both know the facts aren't on their side. At least it saves us from going round and round with them and their straw man ideas.

  • 3 votes
#4.2 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 10:35 PM EDT
Lola-984242

I'm so sorry Lana and it was your first seed. I hope I can make it up to you some time.

  • 4 votes
#4.3 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 11:34 PM EDT
Shannoscubie

Maybe try again with a different headline? Something from the Guttmacher Institute?

http://www.guttmacher.org/media/presskits/2005/06/28/abortionoverview.html

  • 2 votes
#4.4 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 8:49 AM EDT
LanaD

Well my first seed sure has proved a point, which is good enough for me.

This lady commenting in the link that RED posted said something along the lines of, "Well I saw my ultra sound at 12 weeks and my baby sure didn't look unconscious! He was kicking and sucking his thumb!"

I hated to break it to her that science says otherwise and she should do some research on fetal brain development. Also that the facts say otherwise to what the kicking and thumb sucking are...involuntary reflexes. It would shed some facts on her observations. The saddest thing is she claims to ne a neo natal nurse. That should be something a nurse like that should know!

Here is that link agian

http://danaraff.newsvine.com/_news/2009/08/29/3206661-abortion-a-liberal-cause-margaret-sanger-and-eugenics?threadId=663662&commentId=9230392#c9230392

  • 4 votes
#4.5 - Sat Sep 5, 2009 9:38 AM EDT
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